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The regular VUU crew chats about the power of joy, where Santa Claus fits in, and the complexities of multi-faith families during the holidays. Plus, Jackson Crawford pops by at the beginning of the episode to share stories about his time as a White House intern this fall.

As mentioned in the show, visit Joanna Fontaine Crawford’s blog to read more about the different levels of Santa (don’t miss the day-after Christmas letter posted in the comments).

The VUU is hosted by Meg Riley, Joanna Fontaine Crawford, Aisha Hauser, Hank Peirce, Michael Tino and Alicia Forde, with production support provided by Terri Burnor. The VUU streams live on Thursdays at 11 am ET. This episode aired on December 22, 2016.

Note: The audio above has been slightly edited for a better listening experience. View the live original recording on YouTube.